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Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

  • 1.  Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-01-2016 10:01

    I spoke with Jim Palmarini (EdTA Home Office) this morning regarding average theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness. He suggested I make a post on the Forum about this topic.  Anyone out there know what the average career longevity is for a theatre teacher (documentation or an article would be helpful)? According to a study by Richard Ingersoll, Why Do Teachers Quit?, 40 % of all teachers leave the teaching profession within the first 5 years.  It would be interesting to research what the percent is for theatre teachers.  A theatre teacher, I believe, is the hardest working and most overworked teacher in your building.  Do you agreee?


    Do you have suggestions or advice to battle theatre teacher balance, overwork, time management and general career wellness?


    Thank you for your response and assistance.

    Have a great day!

    Warm Regards,

    Russ 



    Russ Saxton
    Dixie State University
    225 South 700 East
    Saint George, UT 84770
    cell 435-632-9241


  • 2.  RE: Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-02-2016 07:58

    I left teaching this past June, after 26 years in the classroom. I taught theatre full-time for the last 8 years, running a one person theatre program. I made the decision to leave after having some minor health issues that, while not serious, caused me to re-assess my life. I was doing ALL the work of teaching Theatre I-IV, Acting I-IV, and Stagecraft and producing a musical and a competition one-act. I tried mounting more shows during the year, and a couple of years I could get another one in. Between the difficulty of scheduling rehearsals and shows in a space shared with dance, vocal music, and band, and doing all the work myself, I was burning out. I was beginning to dread directing shows. My administration was supportive to an extent, but the other faculty was no help.

    My colleague at the other high school in my county took his own life at the end of the school year. I don't know what drove him to make this choice, and I know this is extreme, but it did make me realize that I needed to get out and pursue some other things I love, still in theatre, and enjoy my life. My husband, who also does theatre, and I have always said that when it's no longer fun, it's time to stop. My teaching life was no longer fun. While I miss the few really inspiring students, I don't miss the rest. I admire the teachers I know who are still loving it after many years, and doing great things. I wasn't one of those.

    My advice would be to seek support wherever possible. Get other faculty involved, if you can. Get parents involved. I was not able to do either, though not for lack of trying. Get other people in the community involved, if the resources are there. For five years I had a friend who came in to be musical director and lead the pit band for my musicals and he was awesome. Get as much professional development as you can to get fresh ideas and outlooks - this is where going to the International Thespian Festival or the annual EdTA Conference is vital.

    Thanks for letting me share my story.

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    Martha Louden
    West Virginia Chapter Director
    Shepherdstown WV



  • 3.  RE: Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-03-2016 06:49
    First of all, I do think there are other teachers busting their fears as much as the theatre teachers. I think the biggest misconception though is that because from the outside we make what we do look "fun/easy", other people don't understand how much work it is. I always love when someone comes to us and says "can you just throw together ____ for ______?" As if we just have ideas, shows, resources, prepared materials just sitting around.


    This is my fourth year. I feel like I made it over the beginning hump of difficulty. As a career changer who started doing something else, I am a little different. However, I think that the hoops that new teachers have to jump through are ridiculous. At least in our state (I am assuming others), in addition to the challenges for just being new to a job, new teachers have to spend the first two years going through extra paperwork and meetings that you don't have to do later. It is insane.

    On top of that, most theatre teachers are the only one at their school. Some maybe even the district. There is not another teacher to plan with, to share the work load with. Math teachers get together and usually have a specific prescribed curriculum. They can say "you write lesson plans on this and I will do it on this". We are, for the most part, creating new curriculum on our own.

    I am also at a new school this year and facing a struggle. Before, I had students for a year that were all, at the very least, interested in performing. I have students at my new school that are just dumped in. We are working on shows right now with my 8th graders and their apathy is horrible. I find that I am having to put soooo much extra energy into just trying to get them excited and it is frustrating to me. I can tell that I can't keep doing it this way or I will burn out.

    The biggest thing is making sure that we can all rekindle our creative energy. We are all naturally creative people, but creativity has to be nurtured and fostered. When I am tired or uninspired, I am less creative. Taking time to fill yourself is super important.

    Sent from my iPad




  • 4.  RE: Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-03-2016 17:38

    One theme I’m seeing in these posts is whether or not you are forced to do it all on your own. The “Muggles” don’t understand (and they can’t if they’ve had no experience) that a theatre is not just like a classroom, and if someone asks to use your “classroom” it’s not that easy of a request. If your high school is like many high schools these days, your theatre has become a “roadhouse” hosting a variety of events, and if that’s the case, I strongly recommend educating the district administration and teaching them it’s time to get a Theatre Manager and technical staff, which will leave you free to do the job you were hired to do – which is teaching, not management, and not providing technical support for other events. It’s also a liability issue for the district not to provide proper supervision for events in the theatre, or alternately, as sometimes happens, allowing people to use the theatre with no supervision. Do you have a stadium? Does it have a Stadium Manager and grounds staff? Or does a PE teacher mange the schedule and set up for all games and competitions and clean up after everyone else afterwards? Here’s a little blurb from my book that addresses this very issue that you can share with your administration, and it just shows-to-go-ya that you simply cannot do it all. No wonder you are burned out if you aren’t given the support to do your job and are also having to provide support for others.

    “Like sports teachers who are not usually also proficient in sports medicine, for example, most performing arts teachers are not proficient in technical theatre. In fact, the Department of Labor and Industries requires that all instructors in a career and technical education subject be vocationally certified. (More about this in the Safety chapter.) Performing arts teachers have likely taken college classes in technical theatre in order to fulfill graduation requirements for their degrees, but they are not professionally trained or certificated in vocational technical theatre or theatre management and they are usually nowhere near highly qualified in correctly and safely operating the equipment in a theatre.

    “Nor are teachers usually paper-pushing people – particularly the creative types. Managing a theatre and all the events that come into it – school events and outside events – requires a surprising amount of desk work; scheduling the theatre, scheduling the staff required for each event, re-scheduling everything every time a change is made, filing, maintaining documents, create forms, file administrative reports, processing user applications, budget tracking, processing timesheets, ordering equipment and parts, writing work orders for maintenance and repairs, and e-mails, e-mails, e-mails. If you are a performing arts teacher, or if you know one, you know that this sort of extensive paperwork is not a performing arts teacher’s strong suit.

    “Nor do overworked performing arts teachers, who also work evening and weekend rehearsals, performances, manage procurements, meetings with parents, and other preparations, have sufficient time to completely oversee all the technical aspects needed for their own performances let alone potentially dozens of others throughout the school year. Some performances such as orchestra or band need very little tech (lights on and off, one hand held mic perhaps), however most performances, such as plays, musicals, jazz concerts, a talent or variety show, a dance recital, etc. need more tech support than is apparent from the end result that the audience sees. But all need scheduling and planning.

    “In addition, a Drama teacher with little tech knowledge working on a show is very rarely paid an actual salary for their time. Usually they have a stipend of around a couple of thousand dollars for what can be hundreds of hours of work throughout the school year. This is very unfair when you consider that any technicians working the show are being paid hourly, and any Career and Technical Education teachers who have students build sets during the school day are salaried.

    “Supervision is another issue. During an event (from variety shows to full length plays to concerts) there can simultaneously be students in the booth, students in the house, students on stage, students in the galleries, students in the catwalks, students back stage right, students back stage left, students in the scene shop, students in the back (storage) hallway, students in the costume shop, students in the dressing rooms, students in the classroom and students in the lobby. For a straight play the average amount of cast and crew is 25 students, for a musical the average amount of cast and crew is 55 students, for a choir or band there are 30 to 40 (to 60 in some schools), and larger numbers can certainly apply to variety shows. Officially one teacher is not allowed to have more than about 30 (depending on your state) students sitting in seats in a contained classroom. How is it that one person (even one who has volunteers – usually unskilled) can be allowed to supervise several rooms with over 30 students, where physical and hazardous activities are taking place?

    “Stagecraft Industries had this to say: “For one person to be able to be every where all the time is not feasible. This is how soda’s get spilled into control boards, circuits get overloaded, cooling fans get blocked, fire doors tied open, cables get strewn in pathways and a long list of horrors that we’ve both seen. I might compare this to the school’s football coach: can they do the practices and games all by themselves without any assistant coaches? Usually not, it’s too much to cover all the various disciplines of football- same as inside a theater.  Can users or volunteers be trained, you-bet, but they still need to be monitored since they are ‘apprentices’ most of the time, lacking formal training and documents to prove it.” “

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    Beth Rand
    High School Theatre Manager and HS Theatre Operations Coach
    PRESETT, a service of RCDTheatreOps
    www.PRESETT.org
    www.RCDTheatreOps.com
    Woodinville, WA



  • 5.  RE: Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-03-2016 10:52

    I have been teaching theatre for 18 years at two different schools. We produce two musicals, one full-length, one one-act, one senior-directed night of one acts, four coffeehouses and two self-written short play nights. I don't do this on my own. There are two other teachers who are willing to direct shows, a chorus teacher who is willing to musically direct, and an art teacher who helps with tech.

    If you want something like this, you have to have more staff help you. I've found that this means you give up a lot of the control and direction of your program by doing so. More people mean more visions and collaboration, and that's a good thing. I've spoken with other theatre teachers and many have a hard time giving up control of their program to someone else for a show. Out of the shows listed above, there are many that I don't see until performance.

    If you can't get others to help you, then scale back and let go of trying to be perfect for every show. A mentor of mine once said "Every once in a while you're gonna produce a stinker. And that's okay." Most of our standards are self-imposed. We can choose to flip out about the fact that are scripts arrived late, or that the set piece when painted looks like a big brown mess, or that our lead actor can't seem to keep the lines in her head, or we can just let it happen and try to do better next time. 

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    Jake Dreiling
    Atlanta GA



  • 6.  RE: Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-03-2016 12:30

    What in incredible topic for us to explore.  I think first we need to set aside any & all "woe is me" talk. Every single drama teacher knows what they are signing up for. If they don't, whomever helped prepare them failed them.  I have found the single best thing, as mentioned in certain ways already, is to work as much in reality as possible. We all have the fantasy of being asked if we are performing arts school or why we aren't working on Broadway. In reality, we all have classroom and student issues, we all have facility issues, and we all life somewhere (even when it doesn't feel like it) other than our school's stage. Look at what you a can accomplish based on your life, your assets at school, your funding, your community, and your students. It is different for all of us. I currently work in a relatively blue collar school, and we scrap and scrape as much as we can and focus on the magic of live theater, not the costumes we could rent if we were rich.  My wife has begged me for 20 years to scale things back, and as I do, I am realizing we could've done it all along. Here are my tricks. 1) I live by social contracts with my students. We agree to have a condensed and specific rehearsal schedule, and they agree to work hard the entire time we are together and top it off with whatever they need depending on their role at home.  We rehearse 2 1/2 hours, four days a week. This allows my students to have jobs, get homework done, and be home for dinner. 2) I run a student empowered program. I always say that I already went to high school. This is their program, I am just the steward.  I use asst directors, student designers, student choreographers, student producers, and any other place for a learning opportunity. They are so much more engaged and have a greater ownership that apathy and attention are rarely an issue. I know I could do just about all those jobs to a higher quality, but that is only if I did one of them and not all of them. They supply me with a work force, I supply them with guidance. In the end, we put on wonderful shows.  3) Obvious statement, but I try to work smarter not harder. What we do now is when we thrift shop for a show, we always have a list of things we know we will need for the rest of the season. We also look long range and our scenic designs and whenever possible craft things in a way we know we can use for the next show, rather than building twice.  4) Finally, only pick shows you will love doing. If you are excited, the kids will follow. If you are not, they never will.

    Sorry for how long this is, but I've been in education theater for 20 years (the last four as a full time teacher) and I have about 16 more to go. I do a night of student written one acts, a children's show with three different class casts, state thespian festival (usually I am one of the largest groups), one act competition, and a musical so I need support for a long time to come.

    :)    

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    Mark Johnson
    Theatre Arts Teacher
    Stevenson High School, Sterling Heights MI



  • 7.  RE: Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-03-2016 12:31

    I wanted to reply this as I am in my 35th year (or is it 36) so long I always have to do the math. For fourteen years, I was a one man band and taught art and theater. The next twelve I taught theater full time. I do believe that there is no such thing as a part-time theater teacher, whether you are teaching one theater class or a full day. This is especially true if you are also directing productions. I had some help along the way with music directors or hired choreographers, moms who sewed and dads who built. I burned out in my 26th year. It was painful and I don't think I was a good teacher that year. Classes were overloaded and included many students who did not want to be there. I had some great shows that year, but there wasn't enough of me to go around. Theater teachers go the extra mile for their students, often becoming instant counselors taking on challenges that never would surface in a Math or Science classroom. Through those 26 years I traveled shows to district, state, main stage for Thespians, SETC, NYC Broadway trips and Los Angeles with students and parents, and I even did the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. I should mention that during the 26 years, I was in three schools. I think this worked in my favor because it kept me facing new challenges and luckily most of them were good. 

    In January of year 26, I started a job search. A huge job search. I needed a major change and my marriage was failing. I got lucky one more time. I found a job and moved to another state to a private school that was building a multi-million dollar theater that connected to their art center. Suddenly, I was the kid in the candy shop. Years of incredibly challenging work had paid off. Four years in I became Department Chair of the Visual & Performing Arts Department, taking the administrative aspects of our entire arts program. I have seven faculty members in our entire arts department that includes dance, theater, visual arts, instrumental music, and choral music. I support my staff members with a servant's heart. We are close and the vibe in our building is amazing. I could not be prouder of an arts staff. It's a little slice of heaven these last 9 years and I thank my lucky stars!

    All of this to say, we may have to change our own scenery along the way if we continue as Theater Teachers. May God bless every theater teacher out there. 

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    Donnie Bryan
    Department Chair for Visual and Performing Arts
    Nashville TN



  • 8.  RE: Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-03-2016 18:52
    Edited by George Ledo 11-03-2016 18:59

    Several questions keep running through my mind from all the above, and especially after reading Elizabeth Rand's post:

    To what degree is this problem (teachers being overworked, spread thin, and not always proficient in all the varied tasks they have to do) affecting the education of the students? Are the students the ones who ultimately come up short? If so, do administrators generally understand this, and are they okay with it?

    I would think that, for a school to spend money on proper staff and support for their programs would be an investment in the quality of the education, not a frivolous expense.

    Over the years, I've noticed that sometimes you have to rattle the cage from the other end. Years ago, I was working on a project overseas, in an area with very high heat and humidity. Part of the project involved a mural inside a dome three stories up. Heat rises. I knew the people working on this project for weeks would be miserable and probably get sick, but I also knew the general contractor would balk at installing air conditioners for the staff up there, since the rest of the building was not finished or cooled yet. So, being the project manager, I wrote them a note asking for an enclosure up there, with AC, to insure that the glue and paint on the mural would not degrade due to the heat and humidity. When I showed up at the site, the entire area was enclosed in plastic and there were two ACs at work.

    Just a thought.  :-)

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    George F. Ledo
    Set designer
    www.setdesignandtech.wordpress.com
    www.georgefledo.net
    http://astore.amazon.com/sdtbookstore-20



  • 9.  RE: Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-04-2016 14:36

    George – I shall forever more use ‘needing air conditioning to ensure the quality of the mural’ as my metaphor! You are so – unfortunately – spot on. I also found that the use of words “liability” and “safety” works wonders. I don’t know why administrators don’t understand about spending money on staff and support for theatre education – it’s systemic – but I do know that we can all get some help with being burned out from having the work of several people put upon us by touching on what they do care about – lawsuits. I recently worked at a theatre where the scrim (bottom) pipe extended so far that you couldn’t lower or raise the ladders without having to bring everything down to the deck each time and move the pipe around the ladders. Now this is more of an operational issue than an educational issue, but my point is that the admin wouldn’t ok the work order to have the ends of the pipe sawn off until I mentioned that it’s either going to poke someone’s eye out, or someone is going to trip over the ends while on the deck, that they saw fit to do something about it. True, it was actually also a safety issue, but their “liability” was the only thing they cared about. So in order to get more support and staffing we do have to put things in terms of what makes sense to the admin. (We do have to realize that unless you’ve worked in the theatre before, all you see when you come to see a play is the “magic” of the performance, so we can’t blame the “Muggles” for not knowing, but we do have to educate them in their own learning style.)

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    Beth Rand
    High School Theatre Manager and HS Theatre Operations Coach
    PRESETT, a service of RCDTheatreOps
    www.PRESETT.org
    www.RCDTheatreOps.com
    Woodinville, WA



  • 10.  RE: Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-04-2016 11:29
    Consider yourself a "four season" coach. In my district the sports coaches never attended faculty meetings cause they were at practice, so the last few years that I was in the classroom I never attended an after-school-hours faculty meeting, cause I had rehearsal. Instead I was happy to attend the 10 minute conference period makeup meeting.
    Attend conferences and have your administration fund your attendance. The EdTA conferences and chapter events are your PDIs.

    Gai.jones@sbcglobal.net
    Gai@gaijones.com
    Www.gaijones.com




  • 11.  RE: Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-05-2016 14:32

    Thank you all for you wonderful suggestions and ideas.  I'd love to hear thoughts from "New Theatre Educators" as your begin your career. What would help you  "survive" as you get your feet under you as a Theatre Teacher? What do you wish someone told you before you started your first year of teaching with regards to  longevity, burnout and general career wellness.  Thoughts and or comments?

    Thanks for your response,

    Russ

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    Russell Saxton
    Theatre Instructor
    Dixie State University
    St George UT



  • 12.  RE: Theatre teacher longevity, burnout and general career wellness

    Posted 11-06-2016 23:51

    I have been teaching theatre in high schools on & off for 25 years. After 7 years I hit that burnout stage and left teaching to work in professional theatre, because those who can, do...etc

    Not only did I teach theatre, but I also taught tech, English & coached the Speech & Debate team extracurricularly .  Looking back, I don't know how I did all that as a single mom, but I was young.

    I got really tired of not being seen as a true professional in theatre because I was "just a teacher," even though I had many many students go on to professional acting & tech careers. So I opened my own community theatre. We had a good 7 year run and won tons of awards & frequently received rave reviews from local media. The recession of 08 hit, 90% of clients paying for classes & camps lost jobs in a few short months & local & state governments stopped giving $ to non-profit arts & we were forced to close our doors.

    I worked for 3 different professional theatre companies in 3 different states, all of them liquidated my position eventually as arts funding got more & more squeezed. So I went back to teaching, but was  determined to only teach English as I feel too much is asked of theatre teachers, for very little money.

    Four years ago I was approached by an old colleague to teacher theatre again for the district I am still in now. The one thing that convinced me is that this district provides two part-time auditorium managers for each school. They are very skilled in tech & build sets, hang & focus lights & set up mics & monitors. I have one or both of them each day for tech class, plus I now have a CTE intern, who is a senior that has passed the two year course. That gives me 4 tech supervisors for a class of 25 every day. I spend my after-school time directing, not building, and it makes a HUGE difference. I still work 14 hour days on average though & yes, I get really tired of people saying I have a fun job & get to just play all day. I'm not a day care worker & my job does not end when I leave the building. It's also disheartening that once again my work is not taken seriously by the community of theatre people I worked with for so many years, because the work is rarely recognized as valuable in the academic world as well.  I'm sort of in limbo, but I take comfort in the value it has for my students. It gives them courage, confidence, academic skills & often it gives them the home & family they are lacking elsewhere. 

    I also refuse to teach both English & Theatre at the same time again. It's just too much to ask of someone. I will either spend my evenings & weekends grading essays or directing shows, but not both.

    I get tired, frustrated, and burnt out every so often. I dream of retirement, winning the lottery, or making a living as a published author, but I come back every day to be a part of the joy when we create and learn from each other. I think of the students as MY kids & do everything I can for them. Honestly, I'm sure I could find a way to not work so many hours, especially with all of the tech help the district provides, but I guess I just care so much about my kids that I just can't find a way to pull back. 

    The best advice I can give to a new teacher? Don't offer free services.  Don't volunteer to do shows & other events you don't get paid for. The second you give it away for free, it's next to impossible to get a stipend for your work in the future. I worked for a school that didn't give a stipend for drama, so I did all performance work in classes. The Principal wanted to know why I wasn't directing a Musical after school & I told him that's not what I'm paid to do per my contract. The next year I was given a "coaches" stipend. Also, know your limits, set boundaries, and you should absolutely love what you're doing .  On those bad days, ask yourself why you're doing this and if your answer is "to pay the bills" then get out, you're in the wrong profession.

    Sorry for the long response, but as you can tell, I'm quite passionate about theatre AND teaching. 😊

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    Jeana Whitaker
    Theatre Director
    Mesa AZ