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  • 1.  New Fine Arts Building Plans?

    Posted 12-05-2023 07:54

    I am super excited that a new fine arts building just might be on the horizon for our small rural school! We are currently running shows on a 24x24 92-year-old historic auditorium stage, so this is HUGE for us, literally and figuratively :) I need help finding what space will best meet our needs. We are thinking a relatively small standalone, about a 300 person seater with a lobby, no classrooms needed, but more importantly, I need a great costume storage/sewing/set construction/ and dressing room set up!  Anyone have some plans or sketches that you'd be able to share?

    Thank you!!



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    Analiese Hamm
    ECS Performing Arts Director
    Echols County High School
    Statenville GA
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  • 2.  RE: New Fine Arts Building Plans?

    Posted 12-06-2023 15:00

    Hi Analiese,

    It's so great that your school may be getting a new fine arts building! 

    Even if your facility will be small (although 300 seats is nothing to sneeze at!), as well as starting to plan for the physical build of the space, be sure to plan for who will be using it.  Because everyone will want to!  Not only drama, music and dance, but the school talent show, and then the district will want to start hosting meetings and events there, and pretty soon your local dance schools will want to be renting it out for their end of school-year recitals and Nutcrackers.

    The trouble is… that while schools manage to raise the money for capital projects to build a theatre facility, once the keys are handed over there is no money budgeted to operate these facilities. I've seen too many school districts taken by surprise once their theatre opens and soon discover that they need to staff the facility. So school district administrators, therefore, typically jump to the conclusion that their performing arts teacher – that's you!  - can run the facility. 

    Your district should be looking past the building completion, after the doors open, and considering the very real probability that your new state of the art theatre – no matter how physically small - will need to be staffed by a Theatre Manager and technicians (professionals or paid student crews). 

    On the PRESETT website there are some examples of "gold standard" high school theatres – you can check them out at  https://www.presett.org/theatresafetystandards.html

    I can't recommend strongly enough that your district be prepared ahead of time to hire a Theatre Manager and technicians once the theatre is built (before the doors open if possible!). Or…be prepared to fill those shoes 

    All the best,

    Beth



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  • 3.  RE: New Fine Arts Building Plans?

    Posted 12-07-2023 08:20

    I agree! And thank you for reminding me. This is exactly what happened to my friend at a nearby school.  I am sure the plan will come down me. But I am grateful that I am serving as the media specialist and not a full-time classroom teacher. This has helped tremendously with my "housekeeping" time for running our organization.  I really don't know how I managed before when I was in the classroom all day! And a plus side is I do not mind too much, because truly I currently want my hand in every event that goes on in our historical auditorium too.  So many issues have come from others using the space and not taking care of it.

     

    A team of students is a great idea too. I have a great crew now, but I agree, I can go ahead and assign them "facility duties" and get started in the right direction, practicing in the space we have now. Also, thank you so much for the resources! I will also have a conversation with admin about these extra duties and responsibilities.

     






  • 4.  RE: New Fine Arts Building Plans?

    Posted 12-07-2023 08:56

    I strongly recommend that you get to know the Architect's and Engineer's for your project, you want to be informed/included on every step of the process, let them know where your program is now and where it will be in the next 20 years. Let them know what you want, bring in others using the space as everyone should need to determine where the bucket of money for your project goes, everyone may need to make concessions to get the building built.

    Rank your wants in order, have your peers do the same for you to be able to decide what can be cut.

    At minimum have the ability to add in the future by including the backbone of the space just give on the meat between the ribs.

    good luck and be involved from start to finish.



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    Jerry Onik
    V.P. Theatrical Supplies and Equipment
    Heartland Scenic Studio
    NE
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  • 5.  RE: New Fine Arts Building Plans?

    Posted 12-08-2023 09:22

    One thing I would advise: a full, proper fly loft is a nonnegotiable.

    I taught at 2 different schools that both were supposed to have fly lofts as part of the original plans only to have them dropped as construction began and concerns about cost mounted.  So it was dropped.

    The local major state university had the same thing happen with their performing arts center and it has hampered their program and their ability to bring in Broadway tours ever since.  They have decided to build a new performing arts center that will have one and will also be ADA compliant (it's a 3-story building, classrooms on top floor and NO elevator). 

    Dig in your heals, build support, and make sure you have that loft so you can fly!

    Also, if you can finagle it: see push for multiple performance spaces: the main theatre, a black box with seating at about half to 1/3 of main space, and if this is also going to be the home for theatre arts classes, a classroom that is a small black box as well with everything set up so it they can teach tech too.

    And that gets to one more point: a scene shop and a boat load of storage, not just for sets, but for costumes, lighting, and props.  

    And on lighting - be sure it is not a fixed, static plot with all instruments locked down.  Push for full flexibility, both above the stage (see fly loft) and on all FOH positions which should be either catwalk accessible or on trusses on motorized lifts so they can be lowered for hanging/aiming.



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    Douglas Fox
    Theatre Educator, retired.
    NC
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  • 6.  RE: New Fine Arts Building Plans?

    Posted 12-09-2023 20:06

    Agree. Richard Hay, Oregon Shakespeare Festival Designer for 62 years, advised me over 25 years ago the same. "Whatever you do, get the full fly." Equipment can come later. The space and the full fly will make life better.   



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    Betsy Bishop
    Theatre Producer/Director
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  • 7.  RE: New Fine Arts Building Plans?

    Posted 12-10-2023 16:31
    Space space space, height, and. . .space. Often, these structures are designed by people who share a far different priority tree than we do. For example, in our new shop space at NIU, I traded having the scene shop painted by the contractors for an extra four digits of square footage of floor space. The architects could not understand why we would want a room with bare cinderblock walls, and I could not understand why they wanted to put finishing coats on a room where scenic painting happens.  

    Look for storage space, building space, set up space, painting space, etc
     
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  • 8.  RE: New Fine Arts Building Plans?

    Posted 12-10-2023 10:33

    I've been fortunate enough to be part of the design and construction process of new performing arts spaces at schools a few times. Three big things.

    1. the design of the space needs to start and be based off of the photometric geometry of the lighting system. The architect needs to determine the location of the cat/s and first electric and then design from there. Otherwise, you will have a shadow just up stage from the proscenium that you will never be able to get rid of
    2. Think about restricting access to certain spaces and backstage workflow. Being able to lock doors and block access to workshops, storage, and the cats can make your life so much easier. Add a master kill and lockout switch for all electricity to the shops to keep kids and outside groups from using your equipment when not permitted.  Work flow and large bay doors also help. Bringing material in, major cutting and shaping, assembly, paint for sets, same idea for costumes, props.  You will want to add 40% to any amount of storage you are given by the designer, especially if they are not familiar with performing arts spaces.  
    3. You will be given the opportunity to oversee and approve a master Spec list. Be sure the equipment that you want is on there and watch it carefully. It is common for builders and suppliers to underbid to win the contract and then ask to "substitute" a similar item. The district supply manager may not know the difference and approve changes with the result that your brand new space does not function. 

    Break a leg



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    Julian Lazarus
    Dr.
    Thomas S. Wootton High School
    MD
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  • 9.  RE: New Fine Arts Building Plans?

    Posted 12-11-2023 09:54

    Wow.  This has been a very helpful and informative discussion to follow from the sidelines, and I hope that it continues.

    I've been working for 39 years with a substandard auditorium that was short-changed because, when it was built, this was a Black school in a segregated school district.  (Schools built around the same time in then-largely-white neighborhoods have notably better auditoriums.)  Only minimal upgrades have been made over the years.  On two occasions, we were told that we were going to get a real theatre, and each time, the plans fell apart.  Well, I can keep hoping.

    One of our upgrades only occurred by a happy accident.  I was in the auditorium on the day when district maintenance coincidentally arrived to look the place over.  Upon learning that I was one of the school's theatre teachers, they asked me exactly where backstage I wanted the new lighting and sound boards to be located.  They were stunned when I told them that we didn't want them backstage, but at the rear of the auditorium, and elevated as much as possible with a clear view of the stage itself.  I actually had to explain to them why this was preferable, and even then, they seemed dubious.  But we got a catwalk out of that, and I shudder to think what might have happened if I hadn't gone into the auditorium on a whim that day during my planning period.

    The many stories that people have shared from experience here remind me of what my Introduction to Theatre professor told our class more than once waaaaay back in 1980: "They never let anyone who knows anything about theatre anywhere near the design and construction of a school auditorium."  It's sad to see that that largely still seems to be true, and that we teachers have to fight to take the reins to ensure that we're not given spaces that look impressive to a School Board but that are largely useless in the day-to-day operations of theatre.

    Congrats to the OP on the new space, and all good wishes that it turns out to be everything that you need.  Everyone else, keep the advice coming!



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    Jeff Grove
    Theatre Teacher, Aesthetics Department Chair
    Stanton College Prep
    FL
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  • 10.  RE: New Fine Arts Building Plans?

    Posted 12-11-2023 11:46

    Once again to the entire group,

    1) Know what all is being renovated.... just your theater? The auditorium only? The entire Space only? The side of the building and classrooms? A New wing built without consideration of logistics?

    2) Know what you want and what is its estimated costs, money really does not grow on trees, and it is not like rabbits. You will probably have to work some give/take so know where and what is important to you and what you can and can't do without. for LED Lighting in a 300 seat venue you could be looking at 300K Plus, for Rigging curtains and tracks 500K. A venue like this should have a staff person at 75K Plus a year to book, oversee and maintain with average estimates of 5-10K year for maintenance. Sound could be 150K-300K. and every 10-15 years 300K to replace all of the LED fixtures ongoing

    3) Work with your design team and fight for what you want, you might not be the only one, come up with a judging form to determine how the money is spent what is the highest fair scoring system ad stick to it.

    good luck



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    Jerry Onik
    V.P. Theatrical Supplies and Equipment
    Heartland Scenic Studio
    NE
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  • 11.  RE: New Fine Arts Building Plans?

    Posted 12-12-2023 01:31

    Congratulations on your school's potential new fine arts facility! It's fantastic that your town is thinking about making such a big improvement. Consulting with an experienced architect or theater designer would be essential for a 300-person theater with an emphasis on sewing, costume storage, set building, and dressing rooms. They are able to customize the area to meet your unique requirements, guaranteeing a productive and imaginative setting. Reaching out to theatrical communities or looking into comparable existing facilities may also produce illuminating blueprints or sketches that will serve as inspiration and direction for your endeavor. Wishing you luck on this thrilling endeavor!



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    Amelia khan
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