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  • 1.  Eyes light up in every part of the theatre

    Posted 07-06-2017 02:03
    I need help with a technical challenge.

    I am working on a project in which I need to have eyes light up in every part of the theatre. The suggestion I have been given is to "buy one of those read-in-bed light up glasses from CVS and see how cool it looks when you look in a mirror in a darkened room." This is a decent solution, but I thought someone might have a better idea. The theatrical space will be completely dark for this moment.

    What I really want is for the eyes to appear everywhere: onstage, in the aisles, and in the balcony. I also like the idea of eyes that could levitate magically ... perhaps that could fly. And I want the eyes to be red.

    Let me know if you have any suggestions. I am willing to spend some money to make sure I get the right effect for this project.  


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    David Tate Hastings
    Olathe South High School
    Troupe #5006
    dhastingsos@olatheschools.org
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  • 2.  RE: Eyes light up in every part of the theatre

    Posted 07-06-2017 20:59
    I would approach this one of a couple ways:

    1. A gobo wash over the entire theatre with red gel.  You could either use a wash of instruments with something like a Rosco Realistic Star gobo, for a more general look of spots appearing, or an Apollo Evil Eyes gobo, for something more specific.
    2. Disco ball and a red light(s).  This will not give distinct eyes, but with a non-moving disco ball, it could be lit from a few fixtures, to add more and more red eyes to the space.  This may give itself away more, but if you already own it, it may be worth rigging up and seeing what it looks like.

    These depend on how distinct you want the eyes to be, how far your throwing distances are (which will in part determine the size of the eyes), number of fixtures, hang positions, and equipment available to you, budget, and how you plan to control them.

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    Sydney Thiessen
    Fine & Performing Arts Coordinator and Technical Director
    Reynolds High School
    Troutdale OR
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  • 3.  RE: Eyes light up in every part of the theatre

    Posted 07-07-2017 11:00
    An interesting experiment for me would be to paint some "eyes" with glow or black-light paint and see what happens.  Also, what would be the effect if those were hung all over the place or in strategic locations with fishing line?

    I like the idea of the gobo as well.  One can make a gobo with pie tin or a similar material and just try punching holes in the thing.  

    Sounds like a fun project.

    Best

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    Michael Johnson
    Trinity NC
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  • 4.  RE: Eyes light up in every part of the theatre

    Posted 07-07-2017 12:36
    Two Suggestions:

    1. Is your end game a still picture? Then do the finished result in photoshop. Take two pictures of your group one in light and the second in the dark. Then photoshop the eyes into the darkness.

    2. When I staged Dracula years ago we had red eyes all over the place by using cheap halloween toy with re laser eyes when you press the button. Worked great and had eyes all over the place.

    Good luck and may all your theatre seats be filled!




  • 5.  RE: Eyes light up in every part of the theatre

    Posted 07-07-2017 04:16

    You wrote:  "The theatrical space will be completely dark for this moment."

    You may not be aware of this, but the NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) that publishes the Fire Codes that most jurisdictions use, changed the Life Safety Code (NFPA 101) a few years back and you can no longer have a complete black-out in a theatre.  Two things must ALWAYS BE ON:

    1.  The EXIT signs that must be visible to the audience (you cannot cover them up, turn them off, or remove the lamps).

    2.  Aisle Lights.   The egress paths must have a minimum of 1/5th foot candle (fc) illumination at the floor level.  Most theatres do not have special lights that only illuminate the aisles, so this means that the entire houselight group must be set no lower than 1/5th fc.

    How do you know it is at 1/5th fc?  Buy a light meter and set the sensor head on the floor facing up and read the results.  A light meter is good for teaching many things about lighting, so this should be in your toolbox anyway.

    FWIW: 1/5 fc can appear very bright when it is cast upon a light colored floor, railing, or seat back.  The color of your floor, railings, and seat backs greatly affects the perception of how bright the lights are.  This is all the more reason to have dedicated light fixtures that only illuminate the aisles - you only have to be concerned with the color of the aisle carpeting / tile.

    How do you control this light setting?  Several options are available:


    1. Install a DMX merge unit between the houselight controls and the houselight dimmers (or the houselights if they are directly DMX controlled LEDs).  Set it for a "highest takes precedence" and feed a DMX signal into one of the inputs that sets the 1/5th fc level in the seating / aisle areas.


    2. If your Dimmer Rack Central Control Unit (the device capabilities and name varies by manufacturer) allows the low level dimmer trim to be adjusted, then set the low trim for the houselights here.

    3. Train your lighting operators about this legal requirement and make sure that no houselight level cues are set below the 1/5 fc level.
    NOTES:

    1.  You will need a more complicated control programming / processor if your  want to be able to actually turn the lights all the way off (ZERO) when the theatre is empty.  If you just follow the steps above you may end-up with lights that you can't fully turn-off when you are not there.

    2.  If you leave halogen incandescent lamps on at a very low level (to achieve the 5 fc goal) for extended periods of time (days, weeks, weekends, over the summer, etc.) it will shorten the lamp life because the halogen gases in the lamp globes don't get hot enough to cycle the chemical properties of the halogen gasses properly and the interiors of the lamps will prematurely darken (not to mention wasting a lot of energy).

    3.  Some theatre seats have lights mounted in the 'standard' at the end of the seat rows and this light can contribute to the 1/5 fc requirement, but they are usually is not bright enough nor do they offer even coverage all the way to the exit doors / vestibules (and the vestibules have to be illuminated to a higher level than 1/5 fc).

    4.  Some theatres have lights on the floor that shine UP (and glare in the audience's eyes) and this may not meet the code requirement as the code measures the light cast UPON the floor, not the light emitted FROM the floor).

    5. Some theatres have lights embedded in the riser of the steps, or in a step nosing, or in the wall adjacent to the side aisles that cast light across the floor.  Like the seat standard-mounted lights, these may not provide sufficient illumination, and/or the eveness of the illumination may be inadequate.

    Bottom Line:

    If you have been looking for justification to redo your houselights (LED upgrade) and / or the color of your seats, carpet, or the floor space between the seats, this is a good rational to present to your school planners.  It is necessary to be compliant with the current Fire Code egress illumination requirements.  An upgrade to the controls and lights will save money in the long-term from both energy consumption and maintenance labor.

    Caveat  1:  Have a consultant that understands the theatre functionality necessary from a lighting system be the one to specify the lighting, dimming, and control.  Most engineers and architects don't 'get' this and the results are dysfunctional.

    Caveat 2:  Have a consultant that understands the theatre functionality necessary for seating and color selections be involved in the color selections for carpets, paints, wood finishes, etc. so that the results guide the audiences' eyes to the stage and not to the interior distractions.

    Caveat 3:  If updating the finish colors / materials on floors, be aware of the ADA recommendations about contrasting colors at step edges, and requirements about maximum step edge radius's.  Now is the time to fix all these things at once!



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    Erich Friend
    Theatre Consultant
    Teqniqal Systems
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  • 6.  RE: Eyes light up in every part of the theatre

    Posted 07-07-2017 06:43
    I'm not sure if this would help in looking for an answer, but I thought I'd throw it out there. When I saw Cats in London oh so many years ago (it was on its first run) the lighting/set designer had cats' eyes all over the theatre which appeared during the opening blackout. I don't remember them during all the blackout so they must have been controllable. Maybe by looking into the set/light design of that show, you might be able to figure out how it was done and what was used.

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  • 7.  RE: Eyes light up in every part of the theatre

    Posted 07-07-2017 07:58
    I would use LED Key Chin lights. They make a great affect on stage. Amazon has them.

    Have a swell day!

    Chris Giordano
    www.chrisgiordano.net
    BFA Musical Theatre
    BA Theatre Arts Directing




  • 8.  RE: Eyes light up in every part of the theatre

    Posted 07-07-2017 17:41
    It looks like you probably will have to go with practical effects (gobos, little pin lights or LEDs) or projections. But to have them appear in the aisles as well will be a different matter. I think with some work the practical solution will be the best. If it is completely dark, a dark drop can come in onstage and contain your red eyeball effects. Some could be brighter than others giving an effect that they are closer than others. But I would like to follow this thread to see if anyone else has some other way to make them "appear" in the aisles. Good luck.


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    Dan Schmidt
    Theatre Director
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  • 9.  RE: Eyes light up in every part of the theatre

    Posted 07-09-2017 13:25
    Could you use a few UV lights? Not the cheaper led ones, but the real ones with the invisible light? It wouldn't get you the red, though.

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    Ken Buswell
    Drama Teacher
    Peachtree City, GA
    http://mcintoshtheater.org/
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  • 10.  RE: Eyes light up in every part of the theatre

    Posted 07-09-2017 12:54
    I've been thinking about this a lot. You can get remote controlled LED puck lights. This would allow you to even change the color of the eyes of you wish. You can rig them via a pulley system. You could control the lights themselves individually or as a group.  The big eyes could also be achieved wth LEDs- either a string inserted into a cut out of eyes, or clusters rigged to batteries. You could line the edge with mirrors to create more depth. 

    Another option would be to have the eyes hidden under a cloth, where the cloth is raised or the eyes drop below it. That way you could power them on at once, but reveal them individually. 



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