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The diagram looks like this. I was taught this diagram circa about 1992. But I've subsequently seen other teachers attempt to teach Antigone this way.

I'm on the trail to try to find the origin of the diagram. I asked an expert in Antigone, who was taught long before the 1990's and said they'd never seen it before.

I know some people might be embarrassed to be taught this diagram, and thus don't want to speak up, but I'm not out here joy riding other people's emotions, because I was also taught this diagram, but I knew it was wrong at the time, and have been trying to find the origin of who drew it this way since.

And before people jump on me... this is what I've tried so far:

• I read Poetics. It's not in there. Yes, the entire thing. Completely and carefully and then I mapped out what Aristotle said and quoted it to death.
• I looked at the history of theater discussion and diagramming from about Aristotle to discussions around Shakespeare to Aelius Donatus to Freytag (who was an A-hole because I read his entire treaties) to everyone I could possibly find in the 20th century. I've narrowed the field to likely 1980's-early 1990's. I know the origin of inciting incident exactly, the first person to diagram stories exactly. The first person to argue it as a line of emotion. And ALL of them are from the 19th-20th century forward and the reasons why.
• I found Syd Field. It's not Syd Field. The terms don't stabilize until about the 1970's -1980's.
• I found Brecht. It's not Brecht. He argues for a totally different story structure and his story driver is fun.
• I can't find a lot of the books from the 1980's.
• I also blind started asking universities, professors, and experts in the field. I also asked archive if they were willing to put up a reverse image search and they said no.
• I exhausted all of JSTOR and the university libraries (as in looking through the catalogues and asking university librarians from theaters) I can find for titles.
• I asked NYPL and stumped them. I found the first person to diagram Antigone with the line of emotion in the 1930's, but the diagram looks different and the terms are vastly different. I physically went to the central public library.
• I've asked Librarians for clues. Short of the Library of congress and going there myself to scour it, I'm stuck.

I've been solidly working on tracking this down for the last 2-3 years? But been curious for years on end, so been trying find the origin story since then. I know it seems obsessive and I have enough circumstantial evidence to debunk this diagram entirely, but if I can know the person who invented it and the reasons why they did, that would help me greatly. Any academic leads at all would help.

I know this diagram to be wrong for certain, but it's still up on the web as a "good way to teach Antigone." when all of the terms are not historically accurate to Aristotle at all. Denouement, alone, came from the French word Nouement, which was not an Aristotlean concept because French hadn't been invented yet.

The character-focused ideology is not Aristotle either, which is attributed to historians and sociologists to the rise of industrialization.

(BTW, conflict-centric is 1921 Percy Lubbock. I've memorized all the figures).

So I've done the footwork, and I'm running out of clues and I have only a time period and a rough estimate. Anyone have a possible lead forward of the time period, or remember being taught this (wrong) diagram? Hoping for a lead.

Also, if you have been taught this diagram and want to know what the historically accurate diagram is (i.e. there is none, but you can kinda guess from reading Poetics closely and remembering that the thesis statement is at the end of each section, not the beginning), and all of the work I put in, I did do that. You can ask, but don't be the person that takes the credit from me because I've visibly been working on this for years and after reading all of those structuralists that don't give credit to anything they say in a fit of mostly male privilege, I'd like to protect my interests (TT triangulation on who they were talking about was so difficult when they wouldn't cite anything, especially the freaking professors in the list. Kenneth Rowe, the AH who refused to cite anyone for his ideas.). But yeah, I basically have a thesis on my hands.

I studied theatre in college in the early 70s and remember learning this then. No idea of the origin but I'll look through my old texts to see if I can find any clues. And now I'm very interested in your thesis 😊. 

Cheers, Linda

The diagram looks like this. I was taught this diagram circa about 1992. But I've subsequently seen other teachers attempt to teach Antigone this way.

I'm on the trail to try to find the origin of the diagram. I asked an expert in Antigone, who was taught long before the 1990's and said they'd never seen it before.

I know some people might be embarrassed to be taught this diagram, and thus don't want to speak up, but I'm not out here joy riding other people's emotions, because I was also taught this diagram, but I knew it was wrong at the time, and have been trying to find the origin of who drew it this way since.

And before people jump on me... this is what I've tried so far:

• I read Poetics. It's not in there. Yes, the entire thing. Completely and carefully and then I mapped out what Aristotle said and quoted it to death.
• I looked at the history of theater discussion and diagramming from about Aristotle to discussions around Shakespeare to Aelius Donatus to Freytag (who was an A-hole because I read his entire treaties) to everyone I could possibly find in the 20th century. I've narrowed the field to likely 1980's-early 1990's. I know the origin of inciting incident exactly, the first person to diagram stories exactly. The first person to argue it as a line of emotion. And ALL of them are from the 19th-20th century forward and the reasons why.
• I found Syd Field. It's not Syd Field. The terms don't stabilize until about the 1970's -1980's.
• I found Brecht. It's not Brecht. He argues for a totally different story structure and his story driver is fun.
• I can't find a lot of the books from the 1980's.
• I also blind started asking universities, professors, and experts in the field. I also asked archive if they were willing to put up a reverse image search and they said no.
• I exhausted all of JSTOR and the university libraries (as in looking through the catalogues and asking university librarians from theaters) I can find for titles.
• I asked NYPL and stumped them. I found the first person to diagram Antigone with the line of emotion in the 1930's, but the diagram looks different and the terms are vastly different. I physically went to the central public library.
• I've asked Librarians for clues. Short of the Library of congress and going there myself to scour it, I'm stuck.

I've been solidly working on tracking this down for the last 2-3 years? But been curious for years on end, so been trying find the origin story since then. I know it seems obsessive and I have enough circumstantial evidence to debunk this diagram entirely, but if I can know the person who invented it and the reasons why they did, that would help me greatly. Any academic leads at all would help.

I know this diagram to be wrong for certain, but it's still up on the web as a "good way to teach Antigone." when all of the terms are not historically accurate to Aristotle at all. Denouement, alone, came from the French word Nouement, which was not an Aristotlean concept because French hadn't been invented yet.

The character-focused ideology is not Aristotle either, which is attributed to historians and sociologists to the rise of industrialization.

(BTW, conflict-centric is 1921 Percy Lubbock. I've memorized all the figures).

So I've done the footwork, and I'm running out of clues and I have only a time period and a rough estimate. Anyone have a possible lead forward of the time period, or remember being taught this (wrong) diagram? Hoping for a lead.

Also, if you have been taught this diagram and want to know what the historically accurate diagram is (i.e. there is none, but you can kinda guess from reading Poetics closely and remembering that the thesis statement is at the end of each section, not the beginning), and all of the work I put in, I did do that. You can ask, but don't be the person that takes the credit from me because I've visibly been working on this for years and after reading all of those structuralists that don't give credit to anything they say in a fit of mostly male privilege, I'd like to protect my interests (TT triangulation on who they were talking about was so difficult when they wouldn't cite anything, especially the freaking professors in the list. Kenneth Rowe, the AH who refused to cite anyone for his ideas.). But yeah, I basically have a thesis on my hands.

The diagram looks like this. I was taught this diagram circa about 1992. But I've subsequently seen other teachers attempt to teach Antigone this way.

I'm on the trail to try to find the origin of the diagram. I asked an expert in Antigone, who was taught long before the 1990's and said they'd never seen it before.

I know some people might be embarrassed to be taught this diagram, and thus don't want to speak up, but I'm not out here joy riding other people's emotions, because I was also taught this diagram, but I knew it was wrong at the time, and have been trying to find the origin of who drew it this way since.

And before people jump on me... this is what I've tried so far:

• I read Poetics. It's not in there. Yes, the entire thing. Completely and carefully and then I mapped out what Aristotle said and quoted it to death.
• I looked at the history of theater discussion and diagramming from about Aristotle to discussions around Shakespeare to Aelius Donatus to Freytag (who was an A-hole because I read his entire treaties) to everyone I could possibly find in the 20th century. I've narrowed the field to likely 1980's-early 1990's. I know the origin of inciting incident exactly, the first person to diagram stories exactly. The first person to argue it as a line of emotion. And ALL of them are from the 19th-20th century forward and the reasons why.
• I found Syd Field. It's not Syd Field. The terms don't stabilize until about the 1970's -1980's.
• I found Brecht. It's not Brecht. He argues for a totally different story structure and his story driver is fun.
• I can't find a lot of the books from the 1980's.
• I also blind started asking universities, professors, and experts in the field. I also asked archive if they were willing to put up a reverse image search and they said no.
• I exhausted all of JSTOR and the university libraries (as in looking through the catalogues and asking university librarians from theaters) I can find for titles.
• I asked NYPL and stumped them. I found the first person to diagram Antigone with the line of emotion in the 1930's, but the diagram looks different and the terms are vastly different. I physically went to the central public library.
• I've asked Librarians for clues. Short of the Library of congress and going there myself to scour it, I'm stuck.

I've been solidly working on tracking this down for the last 2-3 years? But been curious for years on end, so been trying find the origin story since then. I know it seems obsessive and I have enough circumstantial evidence to debunk this diagram entirely, but if I can know the person who invented it and the reasons why they did, that would help me greatly. Any academic leads at all would help.

I know this diagram to be wrong for certain, but it's still up on the web as a "good way to teach Antigone." when all of the terms are not historically accurate to Aristotle at all. Denouement, alone, came from the French word Nouement, which was not an Aristotlean concept because French hadn't been invented yet.

The character-focused ideology is not Aristotle either, which is attributed to historians and sociologists to the rise of industrialization.

(BTW, conflict-centric is 1921 Percy Lubbock. I've memorized all the figures).

So I've done the footwork, and I'm running out of clues and I have only a time period and a rough estimate. Anyone have a possible lead forward of the time period, or remember being taught this (wrong) diagram? Hoping for a lead.

Also, if you have been taught this diagram and want to know what the historically accurate diagram is (i.e. there is none, but you can kinda guess from reading Poetics closely and remembering that the thesis statement is at the end of each section, not the beginning), and all of the work I put in, I did do that. You can ask, but don't be the person that takes the credit from me because I've visibly been working on this for years and after reading all of those structuralists that don't give credit to anything they say in a fit of mostly male privilege, I'd like to protect my interests (TT triangulation on who they were talking about was so difficult when they wouldn't cite anything, especially the freaking professors in the list. Kenneth Rowe, the AH who refused to cite anyone for his ideas.). But yeah, I basically have a thesis on my hands.

The diagram looks like this. I was taught this diagram circa about 1992. But I've subsequently seen other teachers attempt to teach Antigone this way.

I'm on the trail to try to find the origin of the diagram. I asked an expert in Antigone, who was taught long before the 1990's and said they'd never seen it before.

I know some people might be embarrassed to be taught this diagram, and thus don't want to speak up, but I'm not out here joy riding other people's emotions, because I was also taught this diagram, but I knew it was wrong at the time, and have been trying to find the origin of who drew it this way since.

And before people jump on me... this is what I've tried so far:

• I read Poetics. It's not in there. Yes, the entire thing. Completely and carefully and then I mapped out what Aristotle said and quoted it to death.
• I looked at the history of theater discussion and diagramming from about Aristotle to discussions around Shakespeare to Aelius Donatus to Freytag (who was an A-hole because I read his entire treaties) to everyone I could possibly find in the 20th century. I've narrowed the field to likely 1980's-early 1990's. I know the origin of inciting incident exactly, the first person to diagram stories exactly. The first person to argue it as a line of emotion. And ALL of them are from the 19th-20th century forward and the reasons why.
• I found Syd Field. It's not Syd Field. The terms don't stabilize until about the 1970's -1980's.
• I found Brecht. It's not Brecht. He argues for a totally different story structure and his story driver is fun.
• I can't find a lot of the books from the 1980's.
• I also blind started asking universities, professors, and experts in the field. I also asked archive if they were willing to put up a reverse image search and they said no.
• I exhausted all of JSTOR and the university libraries (as in looking through the catalogues and asking university librarians from theaters) I can find for titles.
• I asked NYPL and stumped them. I found the first person to diagram Antigone with the line of emotion in the 1930's, but the diagram looks different and the terms are vastly different. I physically went to the central public library.
• I've asked Librarians for clues. Short of the Library of congress and going there myself to scour it, I'm stuck.

I've been solidly working on tracking this down for the last 2-3 years? But been curious for years on end, so been trying find the origin story since then. I know it seems obsessive and I have enough circumstantial evidence to debunk this diagram entirely, but if I can know the person who invented it and the reasons why they did, that would help me greatly. Any academic leads at all would help.

I know this diagram to be wrong for certain, but it's still up on the web as a "good way to teach Antigone." when all of the terms are not historically accurate to Aristotle at all. Denouement, alone, came from the French word Nouement, which was not an Aristotlean concept because French hadn't been invented yet.

The character-focused ideology is not Aristotle either, which is attributed to historians and sociologists to the rise of industrialization.

(BTW, conflict-centric is 1921 Percy Lubbock. I've memorized all the figures).

So I've done the footwork, and I'm running out of clues and I have only a time period and a rough estimate. Anyone have a possible lead forward of the time period, or remember being taught this (wrong) diagram? Hoping for a lead.

Also, if you have been taught this diagram and want to know what the historically accurate diagram is (i.e. there is none, but you can kinda guess from reading Poetics closely and remembering that the thesis statement is at the end of each section, not the beginning), and all of the work I put in, I did do that. You can ask, but don't be the person that takes the credit from me because I've visibly been working on this for years and after reading all of those structuralists that don't give credit to anything they say in a fit of mostly male privilege, I'd like to protect my interests (TT triangulation on who they were talking about was so difficult when they wouldn't cite anything, especially the freaking professors in the list. Kenneth Rowe, the AH who refused to cite anyone for his ideas.). But yeah, I basically have a thesis on my hands.

The diagram looks like this. I was taught this diagram circa about 1992. But I've subsequently seen other teachers attempt to teach Antigone this way.

I'm on the trail to try to find the origin of the diagram. I asked an expert in Antigone, who was taught long before the 1990's and said they'd never seen it before.

I know some people might be embarrassed to be taught this diagram, and thus don't want to speak up, but I'm not out here joy riding other people's emotions, because I was also taught this diagram, but I knew it was wrong at the time, and have been trying to find the origin of who drew it this way since.

And before people jump on me... this is what I've tried so far:

• I read Poetics. It's not in there. Yes, the entire thing. Completely and carefully and then I mapped out what Aristotle said and quoted it to death.
• I looked at the history of theater discussion and diagramming from about Aristotle to discussions around Shakespeare to Aelius Donatus to Freytag (who was an A-hole because I read his entire treaties) to everyone I could possibly find in the 20th century. I've narrowed the field to likely 1980's-early 1990's. I know the origin of inciting incident exactly, the first person to diagram stories exactly. The first person to argue it as a line of emotion. And ALL of them are from the 19th-20th century forward and the reasons why.
• I found Syd Field. It's not Syd Field. The terms don't stabilize until about the 1970's -1980's.
• I found Brecht. It's not Brecht. He argues for a totally different story structure and his story driver is fun.
• I can't find a lot of the books from the 1980's.
• I also blind started asking universities, professors, and experts in the field. I also asked archive if they were willing to put up a reverse image search and they said no.
• I exhausted all of JSTOR and the university libraries (as in looking through the catalogues and asking university librarians from theaters) I can find for titles.
• I asked NYPL and stumped them. I found the first person to diagram Antigone with the line of emotion in the 1930's, but the diagram looks different and the terms are vastly different. I physically went to the central public library.
• I've asked Librarians for clues. Short of the Library of congress and going there myself to scour it, I'm stuck.

I've been solidly working on tracking this down for the last 2-3 years? But been curious for years on end, so been trying find the origin story since then. I know it seems obsessive and I have enough circumstantial evidence to debunk this diagram entirely, but if I can know the person who invented it and the reasons why they did, that would help me greatly. Any academic leads at all would help.

I know this diagram to be wrong for certain, but it's still up on the web as a "good way to teach Antigone." when all of the terms are not historically accurate to Aristotle at all. Denouement, alone, came from the French word Nouement, which was not an Aristotlean concept because French hadn't been invented yet.

The character-focused ideology is not Aristotle either, which is attributed to historians and sociologists to the rise of industrialization.

(BTW, conflict-centric is 1921 Percy Lubbock. I've memorized all the figures).

So I've done the footwork, and I'm running out of clues and I have only a time period and a rough estimate. Anyone have a possible lead forward of the time period, or remember being taught this (wrong) diagram? Hoping for a lead.

Also, if you have been taught this diagram and want to know what the historically accurate diagram is (i.e. there is none, but you can kinda guess from reading Poetics closely and remembering that the thesis statement is at the end of each section, not the beginning), and all of the work I put in, I did do that. You can ask, but don't be the person that takes the credit from me because I've visibly been working on this for years and after reading all of those structuralists that don't give credit to anything they say in a fit of mostly male privilege, I'd like to protect my interests (TT triangulation on who they were talking about was so difficult when they wouldn't cite anything, especially the freaking professors in the list. Kenneth Rowe, the AH who refused to cite anyone for his ideas.). But yeah, I basically have a thesis on my hands.

The diagram looks like this. I was taught this diagram circa about 1992. But I've subsequently seen other teachers attempt to teach Antigone this way.

I'm on the trail to try to find the origin of the diagram. I asked an expert in Antigone, who was taught long before the 1990's and said they'd never seen it before.

I know some people might be embarrassed to be taught this diagram, and thus don't want to speak up, but I'm not out here joy riding other people's emotions, because I was also taught this diagram, but I knew it was wrong at the time, and have been trying to find the origin of who drew it this way since.

And before people jump on me... this is what I've tried so far:

• I read Poetics. It's not in there. Yes, the entire thing. Completely and carefully and then I mapped out what Aristotle said and quoted it to death.
• I looked at the history of theater discussion and diagramming from about Aristotle to discussions around Shakespeare to Aelius Donatus to Freytag (who was an A-hole because I read his entire treaties) to everyone I could possibly find in the 20th century. I've narrowed the field to likely 1980's-early 1990's. I know the origin of inciting incident exactly, the first person to diagram stories exactly. The first person to argue it as a line of emotion. And ALL of them are from the 19th-20th century forward and the reasons why.
• I found Syd Field. It's not Syd Field. The terms don't stabilize until about the 1970's -1980's.
• I found Brecht. It's not Brecht. He argues for a totally different story structure and his story driver is fun.
• I can't find a lot of the books from the 1980's.
• I also blind started asking universities, professors, and experts in the field. I also asked archive if they were willing to put up a reverse image search and they said no.
• I exhausted all of JSTOR and the university libraries (as in looking through the catalogues and asking university librarians from theaters) I can find for titles.
• I asked NYPL and stumped them. I found the first person to diagram Antigone with the line of emotion in the 1930's, but the diagram looks different and the terms are vastly different. I physically went to the central public library.
• I've asked Librarians for clues. Short of the Library of congress and going there myself to scour it, I'm stuck.

I've been solidly working on tracking this down for the last 2-3 years? But been curious for years on end, so been trying find the origin story since then. I know it seems obsessive and I have enough circumstantial evidence to debunk this diagram entirely, but if I can know the person who invented it and the reasons why they did, that would help me greatly. Any academic leads at all would help.

I know this diagram to be wrong for certain, but it's still up on the web as a "good way to teach Antigone." when all of the terms are not historically accurate to Aristotle at all. Denouement, alone, came from the French word Nouement, which was not an Aristotlean concept because French hadn't been invented yet.

The character-focused ideology is not Aristotle either, which is attributed to historians and sociologists to the rise of industrialization.

(BTW, conflict-centric is 1921 Percy Lubbock. I've memorized all the figures).

So I've done the footwork, and I'm running out of clues and I have only a time period and a rough estimate. Anyone have a possible lead forward of the time period, or remember being taught this (wrong) diagram? Hoping for a lead.

Also, if you have been taught this diagram and want to know what the historically accurate diagram is (i.e. there is none, but you can kinda guess from reading Poetics closely and remembering that the thesis statement is at the end of each section, not the beginning), and all of the work I put in, I did do that. You can ask, but don't be the person that takes the credit from me because I've visibly been working on this for years and after reading all of those structuralists that don't give credit to anything they say in a fit of mostly male privilege, I'd like to protect my interests (TT triangulation on who they were talking about was so difficult when they wouldn't cite anything, especially the freaking professors in the list. Kenneth Rowe, the AH who refused to cite anyone for his ideas.). But yeah, I basically have a thesis on my hands.

The diagram looks like this. I was taught this diagram circa about 1992. But I've subsequently seen other teachers attempt to teach Antigone this way.

I'm on the trail to try to find the origin of the diagram. I asked an expert in Antigone, who was taught long before the 1990's and said they'd never seen it before.

I know some people might be embarrassed to be taught this diagram, and thus don't want to speak up, but I'm not out here joy riding other people's emotions, because I was also taught this diagram, but I knew it was wrong at the time, and have been trying to find the origin of who drew it this way since.

And before people jump on me... this is what I've tried so far:

• I read Poetics. It's not in there. Yes, the entire thing. Completely and carefully and then I mapped out what Aristotle said and quoted it to death.
• I looked at the history of theater discussion and diagramming from about Aristotle to discussions around Shakespeare to Aelius Donatus to Freytag (who was an A-hole because I read his entire treaties) to everyone I could possibly find in the 20th century. I've narrowed the field to likely 1980's-early 1990's. I know the origin of inciting incident exactly, the first person to diagram stories exactly. The first person to argue it as a line of emotion. And ALL of them are from the 19th-20th century forward and the reasons why.
• I found Syd Field. It's not Syd Field. The terms don't stabilize until about the 1970's -1980's.
• I found Brecht. It's not Brecht. He argues for a totally different story structure and his story driver is fun.
• I can't find a lot of the books from the 1980's.
• I also blind started asking universities, professors, and experts in the field. I also asked archive if they were willing to put up a reverse image search and they said no.
• I exhausted all of JSTOR and the university libraries (as in looking through the catalogues and asking university librarians from theaters) I can find for titles.
• I asked NYPL and stumped them. I found the first person to diagram Antigone with the line of emotion in the 1930's, but the diagram looks different and the terms are vastly different. I physically went to the central public library.
• I've asked Librarians for clues. Short of the Library of congress and going there myself to scour it, I'm stuck.

I've been solidly working on tracking this down for the last 2-3 years? But been curious for years on end, so been trying find the origin story since then. I know it seems obsessive and I have enough circumstantial evidence to debunk this diagram entirely, but if I can know the person who invented it and the reasons why they did, that would help me greatly. Any academic leads at all would help.

I know this diagram to be wrong for certain, but it's still up on the web as a "good way to teach Antigone." when all of the terms are not historically accurate to Aristotle at all. Denouement, alone, came from the French word Nouement, which was not an Aristotlean concept because French hadn't been invented yet.

The character-focused ideology is not Aristotle either, which is attributed to historians and sociologists to the rise of industrialization.

(BTW, conflict-centric is 1921 Percy Lubbock. I've memorized all the figures).

So I've done the footwork, and I'm running out of clues and I have only a time period and a rough estimate. Anyone have a possible lead forward of the time period, or remember being taught this (wrong) diagram? Hoping for a lead.

Also, if you have been taught this diagram and want to know what the historically accurate diagram is (i.e. there is none, but you can kinda guess from reading Poetics closely and remembering that the thesis statement is at the end of each section, not the beginning), and all of the work I put in, I did do that. You can ask, but don't be the person that takes the credit from me because I've visibly been working on this for years and after reading all of those structuralists that don't give credit to anything they say in a fit of mostly male privilege, I'd like to protect my interests (TT triangulation on who they were talking about was so difficult when they wouldn't cite anything, especially the freaking professors in the list. Kenneth Rowe, the AH who refused to cite anyone for his ideas.). But yeah, I basically have a thesis on my hands.

I was taught this diagram in high school  and again in freshman English in college to use when analyzing short stories.  I have never heard of it being applied to Antigone  or any other play.

The diagram looks like this. I was taught this diagram circa about 1992. But I've subsequently seen other teachers attempt to teach Antigone this way.

I'm on the trail to try to find the origin of the diagram. I asked an expert in Antigone, who was taught long before the 1990's and said they'd never seen it before.

I know some people might be embarrassed to be taught this diagram, and thus don't want to speak up, but I'm not out here joy riding other people's emotions, because I was also taught this diagram, but I knew it was wrong at the time, and have been trying to find the origin of who drew it this way since.

And before people jump on me... this is what I've tried so far:

• I read Poetics. It's not in there. Yes, the entire thing. Completely and carefully and then I mapped out what Aristotle said and quoted it to death.
• I looked at the history of theater discussion and diagramming from about Aristotle to discussions around Shakespeare to Aelius Donatus to Freytag (who was an A-hole because I read his entire treaties) to everyone I could possibly find in the 20th century. I've narrowed the field to likely 1980's-early 1990's. I know the origin of inciting incident exactly, the first person to diagram stories exactly. The first person to argue it as a line of emotion. And ALL of them are from the 19th-20th century forward and the reasons why.
• I found Syd Field. It's not Syd Field. The terms don't stabilize until about the 1970's -1980's.
• I found Brecht. It's not Brecht. He argues for a totally different story structure and his story driver is fun.
• I can't find a lot of the books from the 1980's.
• I also blind started asking universities, professors, and experts in the field. I also asked archive if they were willing to put up a reverse image search and they said no.
• I exhausted all of JSTOR and the university libraries (as in looking through the catalogues and asking university librarians from theaters) I can find for titles.
• I asked NYPL and stumped them. I found the first person to diagram Antigone with the line of emotion in the 1930's, but the diagram looks different and the terms are vastly different. I physically went to the central public library.
• I've asked Librarians for clues. Short of the Library of congress and going there myself to scour it, I'm stuck.

I've been solidly working on tracking this down for the last 2-3 years? But been curious for years on end, so been trying find the origin story since then. I know it seems obsessive and I have enough circumstantial evidence to debunk this diagram entirely, but if I can know the person who invented it and the reasons why they did, that would help me greatly. Any academic leads at all would help.

I know this diagram to be wrong for certain, but it's still up on the web as a "good way to teach Antigone." when all of the terms are not historically accurate to Aristotle at all. Denouement, alone, came from the French word Nouement, which was not an Aristotlean concept because French hadn't been invented yet.

The character-focused ideology is not Aristotle either, which is attributed to historians and sociologists to the rise of industrialization.

(BTW, conflict-centric is 1921 Percy Lubbock. I've memorized all the figures).

So I've done the footwork, and I'm running out of clues and I have only a time period and a rough estimate. Anyone have a possible lead forward of the time period, or remember being taught this (wrong) diagram? Hoping for a lead.

Also, if you have been taught this diagram and want to know what the historically accurate diagram is (i.e. there is none, but you can kinda guess from reading Poetics closely and remembering that the thesis statement is at the end of each section, not the beginning), and all of the work I put in, I did do that. You can ask, but don't be the person that takes the credit from me because I've visibly been working on this for years and after reading all of those structuralists that don't give credit to anything they say in a fit of mostly male privilege, I'd like to protect my interests (TT triangulation on who they were talking about was so difficult when they wouldn't cite anything, especially the freaking professors in the list. Kenneth Rowe, the AH who refused to cite anyone for his ideas.). But yeah, I basically have a thesis on my hands.

The diagram looks like this. I was taught this diagram circa about 1992. But I've subsequently seen other teachers attempt to teach Antigone this way.

I'm on the trail to try to find the origin of the diagram. I asked an expert in Antigone, who was taught long before the 1990's and said they'd never seen it before.

I know some people might be embarrassed to be taught this diagram, and thus don't want to speak up, but I'm not out here joy riding other people's emotions, because I was also taught this diagram, but I knew it was wrong at the time, and have been trying to find the origin of who drew it this way since.

And before people jump on me... this is what I've tried so far:

• I read Poetics. It's not in there. Yes, the entire thing. Completely and carefully and then I mapped out what Aristotle said and quoted it to death.
• I looked at the history of theater discussion and diagramming from about Aristotle to discussions around Shakespeare to Aelius Donatus to Freytag (who was an A-hole because I read his entire treaties) to everyone I could possibly find in the 20th century. I've narrowed the field to likely 1980's-early 1990's. I know the origin of inciting incident exactly, the first person to diagram stories exactly. The first person to argue it as a line of emotion. And ALL of them are from the 19th-20th century forward and the reasons why.
• I found Syd Field. It's not Syd Field. The terms don't stabilize until about the 1970's -1980's.
• I found Brecht. It's not Brecht. He argues for a totally different story structure and his story driver is fun.
• I can't find a lot of the books from the 1980's.
• I also blind started asking universities, professors, and experts in the field. I also asked archive if they were willing to put up a reverse image search and they said no.
• I exhausted all of JSTOR and the university libraries (as in looking through the catalogues and asking university librarians from theaters) I can find for titles.
• I asked NYPL and stumped them. I found the first person to diagram Antigone with the line of emotion in the 1930's, but the diagram looks different and the terms are vastly different. I physically went to the central public library.
• I've asked Librarians for clues. Short of the Library of congress and going there myself to scour it, I'm stuck.

I've been solidly working on tracking this down for the last 2-3 years? But been curious for years on end, so been trying find the origin story since then. I know it seems obsessive and I have enough circumstantial evidence to debunk this diagram entirely, but if I can know the person who invented it and the reasons why they did, that would help me greatly. Any academic leads at all would help.

I know this diagram to be wrong for certain, but it's still up on the web as a "good way to teach Antigone." when all of the terms are not historically accurate to Aristotle at all. Denouement, alone, came from the French word Nouement, which was not an Aristotlean concept because French hadn't been invented yet.

The character-focused ideology is not Aristotle either, which is attributed to historians and sociologists to the rise of industrialization.

(BTW, conflict-centric is 1921 Percy Lubbock. I've memorized all the figures).

So I've done the footwork, and I'm running out of clues and I have only a time period and a rough estimate. Anyone have a possible lead forward of the time period, or remember being taught this (wrong) diagram? Hoping for a lead.

Also, if you have been taught this diagram and want to know what the historically accurate diagram is (i.e. there is none, but you can kinda guess from reading Poetics closely and remembering that the thesis statement is at the end of each section, not the beginning), and all of the work I put in, I did do that. You can ask, but don't be the person that takes the credit from me because I've visibly been working on this for years and after reading all of those structuralists that don't give credit to anything they say in a fit of mostly male privilege, I'd like to protect my interests (TT triangulation on who they were talking about was so difficult when they wouldn't cite anything, especially the freaking professors in the list. Kenneth Rowe, the AH who refused to cite anyone for his ideas.). But yeah, I basically have a thesis on my hands.

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Yoonmi Kim
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The diagram looks like this. I was taught this diagram circa about 1992. But I've subsequently seen other teachers attempt to teach Antigone this way.

I'm on the trail to try to find the origin of the diagram. I asked an expert in Antigone, who was taught long before the 1990's and said they'd never seen it before.

I know some people might be embarrassed to be taught this diagram, and thus don't want to speak up, but I'm not out here joy riding other people's emotions, because I was also taught this diagram, but I knew it was wrong at the time, and have been trying to find the origin of who drew it this way since.

And before people jump on me... this is what I've tried so far:

• I read Poetics. It's not in there. Yes, the entire thing. Completely and carefully and then I mapped out what Aristotle said and quoted it to death.
• I looked at the history of theater discussion and diagramming from about Aristotle to discussions around Shakespeare to Aelius Donatus to Freytag (who was an A-hole because I read his entire treaties) to everyone I could possibly find in the 20th century. I've narrowed the field to likely 1980's-early 1990's. I know the origin of inciting incident exactly, the first person to diagram stories exactly. The first person to argue it as a line of emotion. And ALL of them are from the 19th-20th century forward and the reasons why.
• I found Syd Field. It's not Syd Field. The terms don't stabilize until about the 1970's -1980's.
• I found Brecht. It's not Brecht. He argues for a totally different story structure and his story driver is fun.
• I can't find a lot of the books from the 1980's.
• I also blind started asking universities, professors, and experts in the field. I also asked archive if they were willing to put up a reverse image search and they said no.
• I exhausted all of JSTOR and the university libraries (as in looking through the catalogues and asking university librarians from theaters) I can find for titles.
• I asked NYPL and stumped them. I found the first person to diagram Antigone with the line of emotion in the 1930's, but the diagram looks different and the terms are vastly different. I physically went to the central public library.
• I've asked Librarians for clues. Short of the Library of congress and going there myself to scour it, I'm stuck.

I've been solidly working on tracking this down for the last 2-3 years? But been curious for years on end, so been trying find the origin story since then. I know it seems obsessive and I have enough circumstantial evidence to debunk this diagram entirely, but if I can know the person who invented it and the reasons why they did, that would help me greatly. Any academic leads at all would help.

I know this diagram to be wrong for certain, but it's still up on the web as a "good way to teach Antigone." when all of the terms are not historically accurate to Aristotle at all. Denouement, alone, came from the French word Nouement, which was not an Aristotlean concept because French hadn't been invented yet.

The character-focused ideology is not Aristotle either, which is attributed to historians and sociologists to the rise of industrialization.

(BTW, conflict-centric is 1921 Percy Lubbock. I've memorized all the figures).

So I've done the footwork, and I'm running out of clues and I have only a time period and a rough estimate. Anyone have a possible lead forward of the time period, or remember being taught this (wrong) diagram? Hoping for a lead.

Also, if you have been taught this diagram and want to know what the historically accurate diagram is (i.e. there is none, but you can kinda guess from reading Poetics closely and remembering that the thesis statement is at the end of each section, not the beginning), and all of the work I put in, I did do that. You can ask, but don't be the person that takes the credit from me because I've visibly been working on this for years and after reading all of those structuralists that don't give credit to anything they say in a fit of mostly male privilege, I'd like to protect my interests (TT triangulation on who they were talking about was so difficult when they wouldn't cite anything, especially the freaking professors in the list. Kenneth Rowe, the AH who refused to cite anyone for his ideas.). But yeah, I basically have a thesis on my hands.