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  • 1.  Sword use in The Lightning Thief

    Posted 02-01-2024 08:31

    Hi everyone, 

    I am sure I am not alone in dealing with this situation. I have rented stage combat quality swords for my students to use, as this is a sword fight heavy show and the story hinges on this at several moments. Yes they are metal - I hired a board approved professional fight choreographer and submitted the rental information to the board office for payment of the weapons. Three weeks into rehearsals - all going well - apparently a parent has called the superintendent about this, don't know who or even if they are a parent of a cast member, and now it is all in question. My fault, I did not have parents sign a waiver at the beginning - learning here! I stopped using metal swords in practice and met with superintendent after he said no, they are metal, someone can get hurt and we are liable. I explained how I was considering safety, and why these are safest. Gave him a sample of a waiver I could have them sign absolving district from anything if there is an injury. He said to move ahead. But he wants gloves. Ok. That was yesterday - waivers are handed out, I told him that my fight choreographer was not keen on gloves because it actually lessens safety. Swords can fly out, lose their grip on them. Thanks for reading so far. 

    Now he wants a plastic tip or some sort of covering on them for rehearsal. Starting to think they should be wearing goggles. They are teenagers, if they make a mistake, you know the rest. I explained why that would not be a good idea - now I have not considered all the possibilities for this. Is there nothing else besides metal? (We know foam - that changes the whole tone of the show, etc.) Now he is saying that the waiver will not hold up in court after I sent it out yesterday. The risk is not worth the reward. 

    I am researching grip gloves: Do any of you have any you have used that are adjustable/come in different sizes so they fit well? 

    I am asking if any of you have used foam swords that at least looked like swords if the choice is those or nothing. 

    I already modified a waiver form from here so that is in place. 

    I know parents who support this. Do I ask them or suggest that they call him, as well? I am tenured, lol. 

    I appreciate your input and advice. Our show is 5 weeks to tech. 

    Thank you, 



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    Wendy Hughes
    Drama Teacher
    Bogota High School
    NJ
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  • 2.  RE: Sword use in The Lightning Thief

    Posted 02-02-2024 10:50

    Hi Wendy,

    I replied to this but I don't see my reply coming up. It may have gone to you directly. If It didn't, please let me know as I do have information that directly applies to your issues.

    Regards,

    Bob



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    Robert Smith
    VA Co-Chapter Director
    Virginia Thespians
    VA
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  • 3.  RE: Sword use in The Lightning Thief

    Posted 02-02-2024 12:27

    Leather gauntlets/gloves are standard for stage combat as they protect both the hands and the weapons.  Even gardening gloves can work, and they, too, come in different sizes.  

    Wood reproduction swords can be cheaper and are easily painted metallic colors.  Splinters are the biggest concern.

    There's the extremely theatrical method of having invisible swords with tech doing amplified foley metal on metal hits.  Not nearly as fun as swinging around steel, but after 3 weeks with swords, the cast will probably have a good eye and feel for the weapons and be able to realistically mime as needed.

    Hope it doesn't come to that, but there are options that won't kill the storytelling.



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    Ellen Koivisto
    CA
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  • 4.  RE: Sword use in The Lightning Thief

    Posted 02-02-2024 12:29

    Hi Wendy,

    I am a SAFD trained actor / combatant and I have taught stage combat and choreographed fights for more than 30 years. 

    It sounds like you've done everything correctly and I agree with your fight choreographer about the extra "safety" equipment. 

    A few points for you to consider in talking with administrators and parents.

    1. Stage Combat is inherently dangerous. That's why we work so hard to minimize the risks. So is Football. So is Baseball. So is cheerleading. In my county, the Football Coach has to put out a warning to parents that Football is dangerous. Guess why. What do your sports teams do and how does administration deal with that.
    2. Many people think those darn kids are "sword fighting on stage." They are wrong. Stage Combat, as you rightly know, is choreographed to minimize the chance of injury while maximizing the verisimilitude.
    3. Many years ago, I had a student injured during a sword rehearsal. It was one of those freak accidents where no one is really at fault. They were doing everything correctly, the fight was one I had personally choreographed, they weren't fooling around. It was just a matter of an instant of a split second error where the defending student parried a thrust backward moving it from outside the body where it was safe to inside where it wasn't. Fortunately, the injury was minor. Immediately, I was up before administration wanting to know what kind of crazy I was for having students sword fight. County Risk Management got involved. My swords were confiscated. It was a mess. Trying to explain the difference was almost impossible. They started trying to tell me that students must wear "safety gear." I pointed out to them that it's a little difficult for Romeo and Tybalt to pause and don "safety gear" before they try to kill each other. I pointed out to them that it was important for students to rehearse in the same way that they were going to perform. I pointed out that it was important that students never thought the Stage Combat was "safe." I pointed out lots of stuff most of which wasn't heard, or understood. Then I got lucky. Our County Theatre Safety Officer explained to administration and County Risk Management that the students weren't "sword fighting." They were "dancing with props." That message got through the clutter. My swords were returned and the matter was dropped - along with an admonition that I should be really careful - which I was already doing.
    4. During this time, I also created the Stage Combat class for our Summer Institute for the Arts which is still being taught currently. It teaches both basic hand to hand and basic rapier. As you can imagine, the class is very popular.

    I hope you and your choreographer can use some of these ideas to help you with your administrative issues.

    Regards,

    Bob



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    Robert Smith
    VA Co-Chapter Director
    Virginia Thespians
    VA
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