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  • 1.  AI Programs to Render Design Concepts

    Posted 09-27-2024 15:29

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    I'm preparing a workshop for next week where high school students will work in groups to create scenic design concepts. I'd love for them to use AI to render their designs, but I'm having trouble finding free and user-friendly resources that they can access easily on their phones or portable devices (no computers available).

    Does anyone know of any AI platforms suitable for image rendering in this context? I'd really appreciate any recommendations!

    Thank you so much for your help!



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    Russell Saxton
    Theatre Education
    UT
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  • 2.  RE: AI Programs to Render Design Concepts

    Posted 09-28-2024 11:57

    Following...



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    Mary Bogrette
    Bloomfield Hills High School
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  • 3.  RE: AI Programs to Render Design Concepts

    Posted 09-28-2024 13:28

    I would be really curious as to how an AI program can pull and combine all the elements required in creating a physical environment that supports the characters as they tell us their story: the themes in the story, the historical period and architectural/decor details, the social class and structure, the characters' own whims and personalities, the director's concept, the required blocking movements, the physical stage, and the producing company's resources such as money, labor, and schedule.

    That would be really interesting.



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    George F. Ledo
    Set designer
    www.setdesignandtech.wordpress.com
    www.georgefledo.net
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  • 4.  RE: AI Programs to Render Design Concepts

    Posted 09-28-2024 13:36

    Please don't. Using generative AI to render 'concepts' is training your students to plagiarize the work of other designers.  Period. Full stop. A workshop on scenic design might be the last place that should encourage the use of AI tools.



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    Kirk Longhofer
    Theatrical Sound Design, Audio Production, Editing and Engineering
    Systems Design and Consultation
    www.technopraxis.org
    kirk@technoprasix.org
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  • 5.  RE: AI Programs to Render Design Concepts

    Posted 09-28-2024 17:58

    Thank you, Kirk. I didn't want to get into this, but this is also encouraging students to rely on shortcuts.

    At this point, AI is probably fine to use in creating art (pieces that stand on their own and don't solve problems)  but design is a collaborative process that involves communication among the parties involved.

    And yes, considering how AI is trained, there's always the danger of pkagiarism.



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    George F. Ledo
    Set designer
    www.setdesignandtech.wordpress.com
    www.georgefledo.net
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  • 6.  RE: AI Programs to Render Design Concepts

    Posted 09-28-2024 20:02
      Couldn't disagree more. Using AI for 'creation' of art is just as bad, if not worse than using it for problem solving. You are literally taking the work of others and stitching it together and calling it a 'new work.'  That's nonsense.  

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  • 7.  RE: AI Programs to Render Design Concepts

    Posted 09-29-2024 12:28

    I use AI off and on-- mainly the large language model-- to help me revise sentences or to come up with ideas for topics.  Currently, I think the tool is pretty useful for that sort of work as sometimes I just need a little push to help me figure out something, and even at that, I often will rework what is given to me in my own words.  Some of the models will give you the source material used as well, which is pretty great. 

    Ultimately, for your workshop, I would suggest creating simple paper models as that is pretty rewarding and you can get a good feel for a model's direction in about an hour or so.  Creating a paper model also will give students ownership over their ideas and allow them the opportunity to wrestle with some of the problems inherent in design.  Using blocks in a box is a pretty good idea as well.  Richard Rose, I believe, used to use video tape boxes to help him figure out shapes and scale.  I have tried that with DVD cases and that's also pretty useful.

    Best of luck with your lesson



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    Michael Johnson, MA
    Retired
    Trinity High School
    Trinity, NC
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  • 8.  RE: AI Programs to Render Design Concepts

    Posted 09-29-2024 13:30

    Paper models are a good way to visualize the concept, but they should never be started without understanding the story, doing the research, and having a good idea of where the design is going, and why it's going there. This is where doing sketches on paper first is so important. Otherwise the students run the risk of letting the medium control the design--a problem I have seen young designers run into when using SketchUp to conceptualize a design without putting some serious thought into it first.

    Using blocks has its drawbacks too. I have seen the results of several "set design" classes where the students were presented with a box or a sheet of plywood and a collection of bits and pieces to pick from. What often results here is "art from found materials," or "crafts from found materials" instead of a set that will support the story, because it's so easy to let the medium control the design. 

    As far as AI, the day that it can learn to be inspired by existing work (like real designers do, to create original pieces) instead of just plagiarizing it, I will believe in it. Until then, in the case of set design, I just see it as a bad shortcut. I wrote a piece on this a few years ago:

    https://setdesignandtech.wordpress.com/2021/07/12/get-inspired-but-dont-copy/



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    George F. Ledo
    Set designer
    www.setdesignandtech.wordpress.com
    www.georgefledo.net
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  • 9.  RE: AI Programs to Render Design Concepts

    Posted 09-29-2024 14:08

    Over 35 years ago, I learned to draft by hand in college. Later, I transitioned to using computers, with tools like CAD, SketchUp, and Vectorworks. I'll never forget how performing my first internet search in 1995 opened up new possibilities for learning and teaching. Integrating computers revolutionized how I taught and thought about creating theatre.

    The concerns being raised today about AI-whether it will lead to cheating or cause students to rely on technology instead of thinking-remind me of those early days with the internet. But educators have always adapted to new tools and challenges. AI is just another tool in our teaching toolbox that can enhance education as long as we use it wisely.

    I will always teach the core concepts of theatre and use technology to enrich that learning. New tools will always emerge, but the goal remains the same: helping students grow and expand their creativity. As I approach the later stages of my career, I'm excited to keep adding tools to my teaching repertoire, constantly evolving to provide the best possible experience for my students. The future is full of possibilities, and I'm eager to embrace what lies ahead.

    Thank you for your comments and concerns, but I am committed to moving toward progress, acquiring new tools, and doing what I believe is best for the future of my theatre students. AI is part of the future of theatre, and students should be taught to use it wisely and correctly to enhance their education.

    Helpful comments from this group are appreciated, and different points of view are welcome and respected.

    Russ



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    Russell Saxton
    Theatre Education
    UT
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  • 10.  RE: AI Programs to Render Design Concepts

    Posted 10-03-2024 08:49

    Please keep us posted on this, Russell. I'm sure many of us would be interested in how it works out.



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    George F. Ledo
    Set designer
    www.setdesignandtech.wordpress.com
    www.georgefledo.net
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