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  • 1.  Justifying Fly Space

    Posted 10-24-2019 16:34
    My high school has no fly space and they are proposing a renovation project to add fly space to the auditorium. My assistant superintendent asked me to find justifications and resources that show how important fly space is. Does anyone have anywhere I can start looking? has anyone gone through the same process and have any advice? Thank you in advance

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    April Woolley
    Yorkshire NY
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  • 2.  RE: Justifying Fly Space

    Posted 10-25-2019 05:24
    If you are planning a renovation to your theatre, then the Architect should have a Theatre Consultant on-board the design team.  This person can help you to respond to this question.  If they are planning this without the help of a good Theatre Consultant, then God help you, and all the succeed you, as the resulting mess will be permanent.  Adding a stage house to an existing building is very complicated, and without the help of a Theatre Consultant the Architect and/or Structural Engineer will likely create a nightmare (I know this because I have been involved in numerous projects of this nature, and the ones where the Architect and/or Structural Engineers thought they 'knew best' were disasters). <insert shameless plug here>

    It is possible for the School to hire the Theatre Consultant directly, outside of the Architect's contract, and tell the Architect to 'do what they say'.  This gives the Architect more incentive to listen to the consultant's recommendations.  Either way, get an consultant on-board ASAP - before any critical design decisions have been made.

    The Theatre Consultant should be able to coordinate the various aspects of the renovation so they work together seamlessly.  If designed separately (as they frequently are) they never seem to quire work together as a whole.
    • Stage Lighting (controls, power distribution, instrument selection, including the layout / renovation of catwalks and follow spotlight decks)
    • Run-of-Show work lighting & general operational work lighting (layout, control, fixture selections)
    • House lighting (layout, control, fixture selections)
    • Stage Rigging (fly-house steel layout, controls, fire curtain system, manual counter-weighted and motorized, speaker systems rigging, video screen rigging)
    • Stage Draperies (including scrims, cyc, storage)
    • Sound Systems (Intercom, playback, backstage communications, sound reinforcement, controls)
    • Stage Floor construction
    • Orchestra Pit (or Lift) renovation or new design
    • Control Booth renovation / redesign (don't trap your sound operator in a box where they can't hear!)
    • HVAC Noise Control (REALLY IMPORTANT - the old system will not work with the new stage house, and it is probably noisy, too!)
    • Room Acoustics (time to fix it if it has been wrong, you'll never get another chance)
    • Orchestra Shell design & specifications (movable side towers and overhead canopies - and how to move them off the stage for storage so they don't clutter your stage space!)
    • Seating layout for optimal sight-lines (relying on the seating manufacturers to do this can be a poor choice, and that is what most Architects do.)
    • Color section guidance for the Architect so they don't distract the audience and work against the productivity of the show designers (this applies throughout the venue, not just in the audience chamber)
    • Dressing Room renovation of colors, lighting, & countertops.
    • Black Box Theatre Design (if any) - this is a very common addiotion to a Fine Arts Department when renovating a Theatre.
    • Coordinte fire protection systems so they do not interfere with the stage rigging and don't false trip due to atmospheric effects.  Coordinate the smoke vents operational controls to meet Theatre use needs (Architects and Fire Protection Engineers DO NOT understand this at all).
    The benefits of a fly house are many:
    • Ability to quickly change the backdrops for scenes.
    • Ability to open a curtain both vertically and horizontally can play a part in setting the dramatic mood of a scene.  Both direction and speed are influential.
    • Ability to raise the draperies, scrims, & cyclorama drops up off of the floor so they are out of the way during non-show operations and stay clean and reduce damage.
    • Ability to raise and lower the horizontal masking drapes (borders) to set the aspect ratio of the stage scene.
    • Ability to raise the electric battens, legs, travelers, and borders up out of the way when the Orchestra Shell is deployed.
    • Provide operational training for the students so they understand the rigging equipment and how it can be used (both manual and electrically hoisted systems are common, so a mix of both is important).
    • Ability to fly-out overhead orchestra shell canopies - very important for the music department's use of the auditorium.


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    Erich Friend
    Theatre Consultant
    Teqniqal Systems
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  • 3.  RE: Justifying Fly Space

    Posted 10-25-2019 07:12
    Yes we do have a theater consultant and he is very knowledgeable. What my admin was asking was for me to get some things together to talk with the community and school board about who are NOT theater savvy. I need to be able to present to them why fly space is so important and why it will improve our program. I already completely understand this but I am looking for resources to support our plan when talking to community members. 
    Thank you for this feed back already its great.

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    April Woolley
    Yorkshire NY
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  • 4.  RE: Justifying Fly Space

    Posted 10-25-2019 09:15
    A theater without a fly space is called a movie theater.

    Whenever an old historic movie palace (designed to be a movie palace) is converted to a legit stage, what's top of the list for BOH? Knock out the back wall for depth and add a fly space for height.

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    Michael McDonough
    TRW Asst VP Amateur Licensing
    New York
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  • 5.  RE: Justifying Fly Space

    Posted 10-25-2019 13:13

    Because   tech   theatre   is  a   vocational   CTE   subject.

    I'm glad to read that you have a good Theatre Consultant on board. Have they not been able to convey to the 'Muggles' how important a fly system is? (For anyone considering any renovations of their theatre space, I can't express enough how much Erich's expertise should be heeded.) We provide other CTE subjects in high schools with the 'tools of the trade', so why not tech theatre. Students can't learn how to operate a fly system – that they're going to encounter in the real world - by reading a textbook. For validation check out the articles "Argument FOR Tech Theatre", "Educational Reform; Tech Theatre is a CTE Subject" and "Funding For Theatre Departments" at http://www.presett.org/freedownloads.html

    And, are they also looking forward to the time once the fly system is in place? What staffing will they provide to ensure the education and safety of the students? This may be something that might make the school board hesitate, but too many schools put millions of dollars into their theatre facilities and then don't provide the staffing needed to educate the students on how to operate them. But, not installing fly system because you then have to appropriately staff the theatre is akin to not installing machinery in a woodshop because you don't want to have to employ a woodshop teacher. The need for staffing and safety are no excuse for not installing vocational equipment in a vocational facility. In the Free Downloads section, also check out the articles "Theatre "Coaches"" and "Flying Look; Fly System Safety".

     Also check out the Education and Safety chapters <insert shameless plug here too>  in "High School Theatre Operations" which can be found at http://www.presett.org/helpful-books.html



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  • 6.  RE: Justifying Fly Space

    Posted 10-25-2019 14:16

    A good start would be to demonstrate the additional options the fly space will offer you and your students when producing events. Things like the ability to fly drops and scenic pieces, additional flexibility in the space as opposed to "dead hanging" curtains and lighting. 

    In addition to the staffing and training considerations already mentioned, I would like to add the importance of annual budget considerations that should be included once you have the space. Annual system inspection and maintenance should be included in the building operation budget. Renting drops and purchasing properly rated rigging hardware is not cheap! Neither is hiring a rigging professional if current staff is not trained or comfortable with rigging. This is certainly no area to economize. Often times administration does not understand that. 


    ~Dave



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    David Simpson
    Performing Arts Center Manager
    East China Schools
    East China MI
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  • 7.  RE: Justifying Fly Space

    Posted 10-28-2019 08:32
    As everyone has mentioned, there are benefits to a fly system,

    You can bring lights down for students to hang and ground focus, this is in comparison to having students on a ladder,scaffold or lift to perform the same function.

    You can fly drops and scenery in do allow for scene changes during a production, compared to eating up additional required wing space for rolling scenery or track operated scenery storage.

    A fly system introduces your students to the full world of theater, beneficial for the students moving forward in the future

    Downsides:

    Anyone operating the system should be properly trained to use it, you shouldn't send an untrained person, therefore students and staff will need to be trained before they should operate the system. And in the future you should have personnel trained as they change.

    You need to have annual inspections of the system which are a regular maintenance budget expense, along with the costs of repairs as needed, this is not much early on but as maintenance cycles come around you will replace ropes, cables and other items as needed.

    We have worked with Architects and Engineers on Fly and Non-fly spaces, whatever you receive from the design process should ultimately meet your needs, and at a budget that can be afforded. It should look towards your current program and usage and be able to be relevant for the next 25 to 50 years.


    Whatever you decide make sure you stress safety in its use.

    Non-fly spaces can also have scenery tracks and move on and off, roll drops, draw tracks, pipe grids for flexibility. 

    We are theater, all we need to start is 2 boards and a passion, every space is unique and provides specific learning opportunities to students, even in community theater every facility have a fly space. We are innovative, I wish you luck in getting a fly but know you will present great theater in any space.

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    Jerry Onik
    V.P. Theatrical Supplies and Equipment
    Omaha NE
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  • 8.  RE: Justifying Fly Space

    Posted 10-28-2019 13:52

    Which brings us to the next issue: a manual system, a motorized system, or a combination?

    There was a good discussion about this some time ago. Search for: Rigging System



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  • 9.  RE: Justifying Fly Space

    Posted 10-28-2019 18:27
    And take your students to an old house to see a HEMP system before they are all extinct!!

    American Theatre (magazine) Hemp Houses Know The Ropes

    (Partial?) list of hemp houses (USA)


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    Michael McDonough
    TRW Asst VP Amateur Licensing
    New York
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